After seeing all the discussion on our previous thread P90X: What Can a Woman Expect?, I thought it would be useful to pull some of the tips out into a separate thread.
The number one complaint seems to be that women aren’t losing significant amounts of weight on P90X.
Let’s be clear: P90X is not a weightloss program.
It is marketed as “Extreme Home Fitness,” not “Extreme Home Weightloss.” The people in the ads are going from “a little loose in the cage” to supremely ripped, not from “overweight” to “ripped” so step one is:
BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF: Are you already in pretty good shape? Have you been working out a few times per week for a while? If you already have the program, were you able to pass the fitness test? Are you in this to put the final finishing tweaks on your physique and get fitter than you’ve ever been? Do you have fewer than 20 lbs to lose/convert/tighten up? Yes? Great! Skip below to my tips for maximizing burning through that weight while on the P90X program.
However, if you have MORE than 20 pounds of fat to lose, I suggest you work on getting the fat off BEFORE fine-tuning your physique with P90X. Beachbody makes some great programs that ARE intended for significant weightloss, including Slim in 6 and even P90X’s precursor, Power 90. Here’s the thing to remember: Your body has two “modes”- Build Mode (anabolic) and Burn Mode (catabolic). P90X workouts and the eating program are geared towards putting you in Build mode. If you have a few pounds of flab to burn, sure, you’ll hit a tipping point where you can burn through that as your metabolism gets revved by the additional muscle, but it is not going to be enough to burn through more than a little fat. Men have an easier time burning and building simultaneously, probably because they have enough testosterone to build enough muscle to make a significant impact on their metabolism.
Look at it this way, as well: Why kick your ass for 90 days building muscle when nobody will see it until you get the layer of fat off?
Let me take a step back here and tell you my story: I started my P90X journey in January/February of last year at 145 pounds. I was quite active, going to the gym several times a week for most of my adult life. I already ate really well- lots of healthy foods- so Rob and I decided to start the program and see how far we could get on workouts alone. Two months later, he was definitely starting to show some definition and was stoked on his results. Me? I was still 145 and lumpier than ever because whatever fat I had was just getting smooshed by new muscle.
After another month, I hit a point where I knew that I needed to get the fat off before I should even concern myself with muscle, so I started swapping out some P90X workouts with running and cut back to 1300 calories a day. I was able to lose 5 pounds on my own, but then simultaneously fell in love with running and decided that “more workouts will help me lose MORE weight!” so I started training for a marathon, my weightloss stalled, and I developed a stress injury from too much running and not getting proper nutrition. At that point, I went to a nutritionist who explained to me the concept of Build Mode and Burn Mode, and that I can’t BOTH be training for a marathon, pushing my body for improvements AND be denying it calories to try and burn fat.
Thankfully, I landed at the nutritionist at a time where I was restricted on my activities anyhow because of the stress fracture, so he put me on a twofold diet: I was to limit my calories to 1500/day, a sensible mix of carbs, protein and fat, AND I wasn’t to burn more than 400 calories per day through exercise. This “easy does it” approach let me go from 142 lbs in July of last year to 127lbs in December. Once I stopped pummeling my body with too-low calories and too-intense workouts, the weight really started to come off nice and easy.
Fast forward through the Holidays, more running, another stress fracture (ugh!) and I am starting another modified cycle of P90X at about 130 pounds with a goal of getting down to about 125 lbs. This time, we are following the eating plan, though I am following my own advice (which, I swear, I am getting to in a moment) and modifying Level one to about 1500 cals. (Of course, just to highlight that this really is a MUCH different process for men than women, we are a week and a half in and I can already see the difference in Rob and he has already dropped several pounds. Me? Bah, not so much.)
What’s the lesson I learned over the past year? If you have a significant amount of weight to lose, you need to gently coerce it out of your body, not try to slam it out with a program like P90X or a super low-cal, high-calorie burn program. Look for a program like Slim in 6 that combines some resistance training with cardio, keep your calories balanced and around 1500 (for most people, check out some of the online Resting Metabolic Rate calculators to get a good sense for what your daily burn is.) In other words- if you need to get the fat off, do it gently, responsibly, consistently, and come back to P90X when you are ready to ice your cake.
If you DO fall in the category of “already in good shape, just want to use P90X to convert a few vanity pounds and get in the best shape of your life,” GREAT! Welcome, here are the rest of my tips:
Eating Plan Tips: 1800-2000 calories (level 1) is a fine level for maintaining weight and BUILDING muscle, but too high for BURNING fat (for most people- calculate your resting metabolic rate online if you aren’t sure.) I suggest 1500 calories as a pretty good generic calorie level for fat loss. Certainly don’t go below 1400 or you won’t be able to fuel your workouts and may do more harm than good. Don’t just track portions as the book suggests, but actually track your calories on a site like The Daily Plate.
Workouts: Buy a heartrate monitor and try to keep your heartrate in the 130s for weight workouts and above 150 for cardio workouts. If you’ve already done the workouts, you know that Tony talks A LOT. There is a lot of downtime in workouts and, if you use too high a weight, you might spend most of your workout resting between sets. Use a weight heavy enough to feel the burn, but light enough that you are moving for most of the workout. With Kenpo X and (shudder) Cardio X… Kenpo X, I found that you really NEED to force yourself to get your heartrate up there. It is all on you to make sure your heartrate is up. Cardio X? I suggest just throwing that one out and going for a run or some other cardio you enjoy. Plyo is a great interval workout, though!
I hope some people will find those tips useful, I’ll add to them if I come up with more during this cycle.
8 responses so far ↓
1 Em // Jun 29, 2009 at 12:50 am
Wow, your situation is so much like mine! I exercise all the time (I run or bike 6 days per week for 1 hour, and I do weights about 3 days per week). I eat about 1200-1500 cals per day. I’ve been so stuck at 140, want to be 127, but nothing will get me there! Thanks for sharing your nutritionist’s tip. I’m going to try to eat 1300 cals and not burn more than 400 cals.
I am on day 3 of P90x. Do you think it will be enough for me to just do P90x to get down 13 pounds? I’ll stick to 1300 cals.
2 Em // Jun 29, 2009 at 12:52 am
oops, I mean 1500 cals. That seems illogical. . . you always hear the only weigh to lose wt is to burn more than you consume. I really do not want to gain any more weight. I think my metabolism changed turning 30 this year.
3 Ileana // Jul 9, 2009 at 2:34 pm
I want to share my situation with you guys to see what you can recomend. I started P90X in April, my weight was 130 and my height is 5′ 6″. During my first round of P90X I didn’t lose a pound. I did get bigger though, my legs and arms are bigger but I lost 5 centimeters in my bubbs, waist, and hips. I tried to follow the nutrition guide, but I have to confess that I didn’t do strictly. Last week I started my second round, because for me it is hard to believe that P90X won’t work for me. It is such a great program that I don’t want to stop doing. This time though I am trying harder with the food, but it is so hard for me to know how many calories I eat in a day. How do you guys know that you are eating X amount of calories??? Well, thank you very much for the tips, and if you can suggest anything else, I would really appreciated.
Thanks again
4 Rebecca // Jul 20, 2009 at 9:54 am
I have been hearing so many great things about P90X, that it just makes me want to try it. After doing some research and watching some transformation videos (testimonials) they were all men and wondered to myself ‘well, what about the women? What do their success stories look like?’ Then I found myself here and was truly curious about how I would get results or if I would indeed get any.
Hopefully someone here can help me out?
I’m 23 5′9″ and almost 160. This is the absolute worst shape i have been in my entire life. I played very competitive soccer and volleyball for 15 years of my life but was forced to stray away due to 2 serious knee injuries that to this day I still have some trouble with(tendonitis). I was in absolute EXQUISITE shape ( 5′9″ and about 128-132 lbs) up until the last 2 years when the weight really started to pile on. I desperately would love to get back in shape but was wondering, would any of the “P90’s” or “Slim in 6″ be as competitive as the workout I once had with soccer and/or volleyball and will provide me with the results that I want to get me back to that weight again? Is it a safe process that can help strengthen my knee or would it cause some more damage? I would love to to lose weight, have some diet changes, and tone my body back to the way I was known for it. Will these programs help? which ones? any advice to my questions would be greatly appreciated as I have become a little bit lost without having a coach run me through drills after so long.
Thank you!
5 Rob T // Jul 22, 2009 at 12:30 pm
P90X is a great routine, and you will see results if you stick to the program. What has me concerned is the state of your knee. This is not a low impact workout program, and you CAN modify the moves to be less stressful on your injured knee, that being said, it might not be the program to jump into right away.
There are a number of other programs to look at that will allow you to improve your fitness level, and let you test the strength of your knee.
What I would recommend doing is the following:
1.) Start documenting your daily food intake on Daily Plate. Track everything! You will see how you need to make adjustments pretty quick.
2.) Get in a pool 3 times a week, whether you are walking laps or swimming them, it is low impact and will let you get your knee moving and used to exercise.
3.) Whatever program you do, use resistance bands the first cycle through. Weights are great, but for rehabbing your body, the bands are a good place to start.
4.) Especially if you decide to use P90X, make sure your doctor says you are ready for intense activity. I want to see you get fit, not hurt.
And finally, when you are ready, ask questions! We are more than happy to help answer them. No matter what the program, you need to do exercises and movements that work for your body, injuries and all. Until you are 100% modification is the key!
-Rob
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7 Kaylee // Nov 23, 2009 at 3:53 pm
I am hoping someone can give me some advice. I started doing p90x almost three weeks ago, doing the workouts and the diet very strictly and I lost about 8 pds, and a few inches. I have quite a physical job training horses I do a lot of walking and riding, all day long so I am fit in that aspect but other wise I am not at all. I am 5′7 and 177 pounds, quite over weight and I just found this forum wondering if I should get off p90x completly and try a new program or just replace some of the strength training with more cardio and lower my calories, but how low? Really liking p90x and can feel my self getting tighter and fitter but I would like to lose abiout 40 pounds..
Thanks for any tips!!
8 Smurf // Nov 24, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Kaylee- 8 lbs in three weeks is exactly where you want to be weightloss-wise. In fact, it’s a little quick- you want to shoot for 1-2 pounds per week. So, I would say keep on doing what you are doing… CONGRATS, it sounds like it’s working perfectly for you.
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